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Post by clunk on Nov 4, 2005 11:00:55 GMT -5
See the way I look at that is , you earned all the DKP yourself. So what, your class was needed and you helped the guild. If you want to spend your points on your alt, no problem everyone there SHOULD KNOW that you've been helping the guild, and your loot is well deserved. I'm sure no one would be complaining if when loot dropped and you were on antimode and they got it. Then when you want to loot you can. You seriously don't see anything wrong with someone like an Officer (who gets a raid spot almost by default) who already has full epic loot, hording dkp on his main, then switching to his rogue alt for one day and getting a Perdition Blade or something similar? Are you joking? The decision that needs to be made is either "mains over alts priority" or "seperate dkp for mains and alts". Ok, ok I agree with the Officer thing , I didn't look at it that way. However I would say mains over alts for sure. Gtg to work! I prolly won't be on Much friday or saturday per usual, so <3. Time to party! |
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Post by rhellion on Nov 4, 2005 11:05:08 GMT -5
However I would say mains over alts for sure. Ok, so no seperate DKP, but main characters always have bidding priority over an alt. |
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Post by rhellion on Nov 4, 2005 11:41:06 GMT -5
The page will hopefully be up tonight, had some minor setbacks.
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Post by vitality on Nov 5, 2005 3:52:57 GMT -5
Sorry i haven't been around the boards much, just been checkin on recruitment and the such,
Clunk does bring up a point about alts...as much as i hate allowing it to happen..because my main is pretty much for the most part decked out and i would like to bring my rogue along sometimes..i guess i can wait, he wasn't suppose to be geared out anyway and you will probably need my priest as a priority + i see how unshaper probably would feel the same way hah, but yea the dkp seems really adequate and i'm glad you've done all this work, another thing is we need to work on pvp, gotta start setting it up for off nights and such so its a regular thing. (side note)
But yea i'm going to be checkin here more often now, just a lot going on lately, lots of farming and getting the guild to feel like family =o
We're coming along well keep it up everyone
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Post by unshaper on Nov 5, 2005 5:01:28 GMT -5
I don't think we should have limits on how low or high you can go on points. It defeats the purpose of constantly raiding by setting a limit on points. When your points are maxed why raid? Also why should we have a negative limit that's dumb because someone could remain at 200 negative pts for getting 4 epics or 100 epics. Not fair. No limits on dkp it just isn't fair and Prefects are fair.
Sending Dark iron to Korf everyday for a week: 30 copper each
Korf almost getting banned for spamming "a/s/l" to a GM now that's priceless.
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Post by rhellion on Nov 5, 2005 7:41:35 GMT -5
To encourage spending. Why are you raiding then if you aren't planning on bidding on any loot (to counter your question)? Then you end up with 1000 dkp and once we move on you can win virtually EVERY drop for weeks in a new dungeon. How is that fair?
Someone at the negative cap cannot bid on items, they cannot get 100 epics and remain at the cap. Someone who is negative will not win any items unless noone else bids, because they will always have the lowest dkp.
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Post by rhellion on Nov 5, 2005 9:48:25 GMT -5
I'm trying to get the dkp site up as soon as possible. As soon as we do I think we can start scheduling MC raids.
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Post by unshaper on Nov 5, 2005 17:57:59 GMT -5
To encourage spending. Why are you raiding then if you aren't planning on bidding on any loot (to counter your question)? Then you end up with 1000 dkp and once we move on you can win virtually EVERY drop for weeks in a new dungeon. How is that fair? Someone at the negative cap cannot bid on items, they cannot get 100 epics and remain at the cap. Someone who is negative will not win any items unless noone else bids, because they will always have the lowest dkp. Because what u r doing to gimping us who already have epics from past guilds. Why would I bid on cenarion when I already have it? Plus why would I even run MC after I hit max points. The limit basically gimps people who raid alot as well as the people who take loot. What about 2+ ppl at -200 dkp (because there's a limit) who wins here? What if one of the people has been at -200 for weeks and the other one just a day how would we know? It's not fair and I don't agree with it one bit. |
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Post by vitality on Nov 5, 2005 18:02:58 GMT -5
Yea a few of us already have things and if we Cant bid because we already have something we shouldn't be getting gimped on points, i understand that we can pass and end up having more than 200 making it able for us to always win, but if we're mature about it I dont see any problem in there being no limit, its just not fair to some of us.
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Post by rhellion on Nov 5, 2005 21:33:34 GMT -5
What about 2+ ppl at -200 dkp (because there's a limit) who wins here? What if one of the people has been at -200 for weeks and the other one just a day how would we know? It's not fair and I don't agree with it one bit. I don't think you understand. It is impossible to stay at the negative limit for weeks because you are always getting DKP for raiding. You bid for items with your current dkp, not all time total. The limit basically gimps people who raid alot as well as the people who take loot. Not in the slightest. The more you raid, the more dkp you get, the more you have to spend on items. I don't see how you can possibly think this gimps anyone accept people who want to horde dkp. If you plan on NEVER rolling on ANY items, then you should stay home from the raid, and let someone else who needs the dkp to SPEND have your spot. |
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Post by rhellion on Nov 5, 2005 21:37:15 GMT -5
And the limit is +400, -400. Not 200.
We'll have to get on vent and discuss everything, because there is something obviously getting lost in the translation.
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Post by rhellion on Nov 5, 2005 21:41:39 GMT -5
I think everyone needs to actually read the system.
You gain dkp from items dropping in mc. If 2 50 point items drop, then everyone in the raid gets 2.5 dkp from that boss.
First item is Staff of Dominance.
I ask for tells from everyone who wants to bid:
Unshaper has 120 dkp
Rhellion has 115 dkp
Torret has -10 dkp
Unshaper wins the Staff of Dominance and loses 50 dkp
Next item to drop is Cenarion Chest
I ask for tells who wants to bid:
Rhellion has 115 dkp
Unshaper now has 70 dkp
Rhellion wins the chest and loses 50 dkp
Now you should see that the only way to get negative dkp is to bid for items that noone with a higher dkp than you wants. By going into negative dkp you are getting items you have not earned. This is ok so items do not go to waste, but we don't want people to get an unlimited amount of items they have not earned dkp for... and we don't want people to get into a negative dkp hole they can't dig themselves out of.
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Post by rhellion on Nov 5, 2005 23:22:23 GMT -5
The 200 is a cap that was used in DD but we can raise or eliminate if we wish. If you are over 200 in this system, those extra points are only used for bidding on items, not actually spent. If you have 290 points and someone else has 200, you are highest and get the item if you bid. You are then lowered to the 200 cap, THEN dkp is subtracted for the item and you are now at 150. This was from before we raised to 400. Let me re-explain: You can get up to a million DKP, but it is only for bidding purpouses since the SOFT CAP is 400. If you have 630 DKP you will have the highest DKP. Once the item you drop wants you compare your total DKP of 630 to everyone in the raid and win the item. Since the soft cap is 400 you are then lowered to 400, then lose dkp for the item you bid on. |
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Post by korf on Nov 6, 2005 1:45:37 GMT -5
Okay, after annoying Rhellion much last night.
He explained to me in great detail what this "cap" is about. What we thought it was, is not really what it is.
I have 634 dkp
Clunk has 643 dkp
deeprock salt drops
Clunk and I bid.
Clunk has more points.
Clunk wins
Do to the cap
his DKP is moved down to 399 dkp
-1 dkp because of deeprocks salt item value of 1.
This will stop people really, really whoring DKP points. However not limiting us or stoping us from minor whoring. Kinda what that skank unshaper is about. a little sucky sucky, but not to much.
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Post by vanith on Nov 6, 2005 2:07:52 GMT -5
Also, realistically even for those of you epic'd out, it's going to take a while to reach even the soft cap of 400. If anything, for those of you with many epics, this point system is set up such that it allows you to save your DKP so that when the item you're saving for drops, you will almost assuredly have the points for it. People without epics will be spending on a more regular basis on items you don't need or already have, basically assuring you'll have the DKP you need.
It's not gimping at all, as Rhellion pointed out. Theoretically there is no limit to how much DKP you can have, although from a realistic standpoint going over 400 DKP will take quite a lot of time.
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