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Post by rhellion on Nov 7, 2005 8:53:07 GMT -5
Here is how bidding should and will work while in MC. DKP officer will call out item in raid chat with the price cost and ask for bids. It doesn't matter if the person also needs the item, because all persons bidding are posted publicly. The best way to repeat yourself is to hit ALT+(up arrow) and that will show the last text you typed to add onto the end. Most of you saw last night how I did this, and this is the explanation. I'd prefer to do it myself, but everyone will know how to do it also. Here is an example of how it will work:
Cenarion Boots 50dkp PST now
Cenarion Boots 50dkp PST now Nelyenduil
Cenarion Boots 50dkp PST now Nelyenduil, Rhellion, Unshaper
Cenarion Boots 50dkp PST now Nelyenduil, Rhellion, Unshaper
Cenarion Boots 50dkp PST now Nelyenduil, Rhellion, Unshaper LAST CALL
Cenarion Boots 50dkp PST now Nelyenduil, Rhellion, Unshaper LAST CALL checking dkp
(rhellion has 150 dkp, unshaper has 145 dkp, Nelyenduil has 180 dkp)
Cenarion Boots 50dkp PST now Nelyenduil, Rhellion, Unshaper LAST CALL checking dkp GRATS Nelyenduil
(nelyenduil loots the item, screenshot taken with either raid window open or all 40 ctraid boxes on screen and loot message, nely loses 50 dkp when dkp is updated)
Questions? There should be 3-5 seconds between each bid update. Probably a good idea to have atleast 4 maybe 5 updates total including last call.
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Post by rhellion on Nov 7, 2005 8:57:39 GMT -5
I'll leave this seperate for about a week then add it to our Officer thread titled "DKP".
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Post by korf on Nov 7, 2005 12:15:10 GMT -5
Or we could be efficent about this and have one officer do one item in whispers, another officer do another item. Then when people whisper for it you can spam them with who else is bidding for the item. This way the loot is decided, and we can move along.
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Post by rhellion on Nov 7, 2005 12:17:45 GMT -5
It should be one item at a time, it would be confusing if someone is trying to bid for multiple items at the same time. Plus, that way there isn't more than one officer spamming raid chat at a time for multiple items, also confusing. It is completely a waste of time to send tells to each person bidding individually with updates on who is bidding against them over posting it in raid chat.
There was nothing inefficent about how it was done last night, and it was fair and everyone knew who was bidding. In the future it will be best for everyone to know who is bidding for them to decide if they want to bid against someone or not (for whatever personal reason), or if they want to keep up with dkp and bidding themselves during the raid.
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Post by korf on Nov 7, 2005 12:29:03 GMT -5
Well, we don't have to spam raid chat. We can have the people whisper the officer who is doing that item. they get no response, when bidding is closed we can type the item out, and who bidded on it. No spam, we can do two items at once. Believe it or not, all officers in this guild have experienced DKP systems that have worked.
Also, Rhellion last night I think was highly inapropriate to jump onto me in ventrilo. If you had a problem, that is what officers chat was for. However doing that infront of all the raid was not for the good.
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Post by rhellion on Nov 7, 2005 12:49:42 GMT -5
I had to, because you were jumping on top of me after I started DKP for the items. I didn't appreciate you trying to take over loot after I had already asked for you to let me take care of it since I am the one who has put in the work on the dkp system and looting system. You didn't ask how we should did it, even after I offered how, you just tried to take over. I know you feel the need to lead everything for whatever reason, but I put in the work and there was a way it needed to be done. You also said yourself multiple times you didn't understand certain things about the dkp system to me while we talked about it on vent.
Or it needs to be made clear that you have heirarcy over the other officers right now. As I see it, every single officer has the same power and Clunk is guild leader. If this is not the case, Clunk please correct me. You are the one stepping on toes here, not me.
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Post by antimode on Nov 7, 2005 12:54:41 GMT -5
much love in this room much love ;D
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Post by korf on Nov 7, 2005 13:00:16 GMT -5
A discussion in officers chat would have surficed. Yes you have put alot of work into the DKP system and is greatly appreciated.However this 'my-way-or-the-highway' is not a good standard on looting. Your asking me to let you take care of it was not the way to do it, "you have no idea how the DKP system works so stop." Well, lets get it so all officers agree on how it should work and not wing it. I am sure the druids and rogues would not have minded sitting there for five minuites to let both of our cases take the floor in officers chat and for everyone to come to a conclusion. The way you went at it was wrong. If you had done it the way it needs to be done you would have won the argument either way because later on Vanith pointed something very informing out to me and I would have retracted my argument.
If we don't start taking our time and doing this shit right the first time were everyone can agree on it, later on it will be a disaster. We need to make sure all officers no matter how slow or dumb they are, know why and what is happening to ensure we don't look like a bunch of morons or establish: dominant->submissive relationships in the guild, or within the officers.
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Post by korf on Nov 7, 2005 13:01:35 GMT -5
much love in this room much love ;D I love Rhellion, however some times we all need a check/balance. This would be the check on Rhellion, and I can only hope that we can get this balanced out so that we are both on the same side and moving towards the same common goal.
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Post by korf on Nov 7, 2005 13:05:04 GMT -5
If we don't start taking our time and doing this shit right the first time were everyone can agree on it, later on it will be a disaster. We need to make sure all officers no matter how slow or dumb they are, know why and what is happening to ensure we don't look like a bunch of morons or establish: dominant->submissive relationships in the guild, or within the officers. All officers have the same power. We check each other into place. Clunk is not a higher officer or a lesser officer then anyone. Neither are you, me, rhellion, vitality, unshaper, and vanith. There are certain officers with certain powers and some of them are shared to make sure it is done right and fairly.
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Post by rhellion on Nov 7, 2005 13:07:23 GMT -5
, "you have no idea how the DKP system works so stop." I NEVER said that. I knew exactly what I wanted to do going in and after you gave the impression I was handling loot and then interrupting me after starting the bids. You didn't start up a chat in Officer, you just jumped right into taking bids when you yourself admited you were unlcear on bidding. Everyone should know now are have the ability to post their comments since the system is up in writing.
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Post by rhellion on Nov 7, 2005 13:08:43 GMT -5
you would have won the argument either way because later on Vanith pointed something very informing out to me and I would have retracted my argument. And what did Vanith say that cleared whatever up? I'm sure that whatever it was could help us all if it cleared something up for you.
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Post by korf on Nov 7, 2005 13:10:59 GMT -5
And what did Vanith say that cleared whatever up? I'm sure that whatever it was could help us all if it cleared something up for you. "Nelynduil was unaware that the Hide of the Wild would count against him for DKP so it would be unfair to count it against him."-Vanith
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Post by rhellion on Nov 7, 2005 13:13:00 GMT -5
Yes, that was another problem. You cannot make up rules to add to the dkp system mid-raid. I think we already covered that last night though.
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Post by korf on Nov 7, 2005 13:13:09 GMT -5
, "you have no idea how the DKP system works so stop." I NEVER said that. I knew exactly what I wanted to do going in and after you gave the impression I was handling loot and then interrupting me after starting the bids. You didn't start up a chat in Officer, you just jumped right into taking bids when you yourself admited you were unlcear on bidding. Everyone should know now are have the ability to post their comments since the system is up in writing. How we would do the actual bidding was never disclosed untill way to late. And since many people were used to other guilds doing it by whispers, I assumed we would not be any diffrent and seperate the items. You did say that when I said, "whisper korf for cenarion boots".
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